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Epos M22 are "2.5 way" speakers
NOT "3 way" as described in many websites.
Question from eBay member on 1 January 2006 about 2 SILVER MICA + Audio Institute VR-110 valve amplifier (eBay item 5848618286) = Hello how well will these work with Epos M22s? 
Thank you for your interest in our amplifier.
MONEY BACK GUARANTEE (less GBP £60 or  £30, within 30 days) that
most people (with standard taste) ,
except for Hi Fi reviewers (with non standard taste) ,
except for dealers in Internet Forum (disguised as innocent members of the public) that
   our valve / tube amplifiers can produce 
   much sweeter treble, less irritating treble, 
   less sibilance (when a woman say 'his' , it sound like 'hissssssk'), 
   MUCH MORE OBVIOUS regional accent of the singer, 
   MUCH MORE OBVIOUS accentuation of words by the singer, 
   MUCH MORE REALISTIC human voices
         (the most important sound on a CD of your favourite singer is the voice of the favourite singer), 
   usually SLIGHTLY better bass (unbelievable, until you look at the size of our HUGE POWERFUL TRANSFORMER), 
   LARGER DYNAMIC RANGE (unbelievable, until you look at the size of HUGE POWERFUL TRANSFORMERS working together
   with the ink black silent of class A amplifier) , 
   inky black silence between the musical notes , 
   makes you want to listen to the next CD , and the next CD and the next CD and the next .
Any of our amplifier will work well with any WELL DESIGNED speakers,
and you will be shocked at the improvement, but .....
I appreciate that the speakers retail for GBP £950,
but there is no such thing as a 100% perfect speaker
and ALL speakers have limitations,
that no amplifier (valve or transistor) can fix.
I have listed 4 main limitations below.
You have to take the HUGE power handling capacity
CLAIMED by loudspeaker manufacturer, with a large pinch of salt !
I am concerned that 
our 40 watts + 40 watts valve amplifier might be too powerful for your GBP £950 Epos M22 speakers, 
because your GBP 950 speakers does NOT seem to have features to help it handle power.
Your GBP £950 Epos M22 speakers might be better off with
our lower powered 20 watts + 20 watts" Triode connection" valve amplifiers
( eBay listings from GBP £408 to GBP £1,400 )
No amplifier (valve or transistor) can make SMALL 6 inch speakers imitate / reproduce
HUGE 22 inch kick bass drums or HUGE 32 inch Kettle drums or HUGE 32 feet organ pipes,
Our eBay listings for GBP £200 to GBP £2,900 speakers
has BIGGER , MORE POWERFUL 10 inch or 12 inch speakers.
No amplifier (valve or transistor) can make SMALL 6 inch speakers
fill HUGE 20 feet room with LOUD MUSIC (unless you sit 6 feet from the speakers)
I downloaded the instruction manual for your speakers.
Your GBP £950 Epos M22 speakers are "2.5 Way" speakers,
(the bass come out of both the six inch speakers)
and not a "3 Way" speaker, as described in many websites.
HUGE 22 inch kick bass drums or HUGE 32 inch kettle drums
will EASILY overload the SMALL 6 inch speakers.
If you have a human voice,
when the SMALL six inch speakers are overloaded,
the human voice will be blurred, muddled, congested (like a person with a blocked up nose)
WELL-DESIGNED (that need not be expensive) "3 way" speakers
with second-order (12 dB per octave) or steeper cross over
and "notch filter tuned to the system frequency of the midrange"
or "L Pad turned down" or .......
will keep the bass out of the SMALL six inch (or smaller) mid range speaker,
so the SMALL six inch (or smaller) mid range speakers are NOT overloaded by loud bass notes,
and human voices should remain crystal clear, without harshness.
Please see our eBay listings for
GBP £650 to GBP £2,900 WELL-DESIGNED "3 way" speakers )
Your GBP 950 Epos M22 speakers have a 6 dB per octave crossover for the tweeter.
 
The graph on page 254 in Mr Martin Colloms excellent book
'High Performance Loudspeakers' 5th edition explains
why a simple one capacitor 6 dB per octave crossover can cause problem.
It also explain how to use notch filter and zobel network to solve the problem.
Speakers with second-order (12 dB per octave) or steeper cross over
and "notch filter tuned to the resonance frequency of the tweeter"
or "L Pad turned down"
will keep one kilohertz (typical resonance frequency of tweeters)
out of TINY 1 inch tweeters
so TINY 1 inch tweeters are NOT overloaded by loud mid range,
and tweeters should be able to go louder, without becoming harsh.
 
Please see our eBay listings for GBP £650 to GBP £2,900 speakers,
with "British notch filter tuned to the resonance frequency of the tweeter"

 
Limitations of Ferro Fluid
When you turn up the volume,
the voice coil and ferro fluid (thick viscous oil + iron filings)
will get hot,
the ferro fluid (thick viscous oil + iron filings) will become thin and runny,
the dampening effect reduces,
and the impedance peak (might be 20 ohms) at the resonance frequency reappears.
So, the 8 ohm crossover does not work very well,
allows the midrange to reach the tweeter,
and overload the tweeter,
and the tweeter becomes harsh.

 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kef Loudspeakers
19 December 2003 Comments : all good stuff!!!! i am looking at converting, my present amplifier is a pioneer sa7300 from
27 years ago!! although its a lovely amp i really want the "valves" could you please
send me a brochure, with prices. do you think the el34 for example will make much difference
to the sound through some kef speakers? thanks allot! keep the valves alive!!

The answer is yes !

 If you have a 27 year old Pioneer amplifier, you might have 27 year old Kef speakers.

One of our many "Research & Development" speakers are the OLD Kef Concerto (which is totally different to the NEW Kef Concerto), which still has a "Design Centre" triangle label stuck on it.  Those were the days, when British Hi Fi were the best in the world (according to Brits & most of the Commonwealth. Americans will probably disagree !).  I also made own home built speakers with the "newer" Kef B200G.  There must be tens of thousands of Kef B200 !

I really get annoyed with MANY FAMOUS British Hi Fi brand that still PRETENDS to be famous British brands, but are NOT made in Britain.  Even the FAMOUS British brand names are no longer owned by British companies.  We are a British owned company, and most of our Chinese amplifiers have been modified and repackaged and have 2 days or 3 days of British (Chinese guy) labour.

Anyway,
OLD Kef soft dome tweeters ,
OLD "Bextrene" cones and
OLD aluminium foil reinforced polystyrene cones,
makes Hi Fi system sounds "polite" and pleasant to listen to.
Maybe that is why BBC designed LS3/5a using Kef B110 still sells for an insane price.

You only need to listen to the "semi hidden" peaks and cone break up
(around 5 kHz to 10 kHz of 6.5 inch midranges. around 18 kHz of tweeter)
of some (but not all)  metal cones / domes , Kevlar, carbon fibre, and other "fashionable" material of the month, to realise how irritating they can sound after 30 minutes !

Transistor amplifiers sound less irritating, when using OLD (30 years old) Kef speakers !
But unfortunately, OLD kef speakers also loses a fair amount of details, and can be fairly "bland".

Our recommended £350 well designed "3 way" speakers have fair more realistic human voices,
but the bass of of our Kef B139 13 inch is 9 inch woofer, probably the BEST British woofer (for decades), makes ALL 5 inch and 6 inch speakers (regardless of hyped up price) sound pathetic !

The best way to answer your questions is that :-

1. We have a customer using our 20 watt "KT88 Triode Connection - High End" amplifiers with "High End" Kef 107 (look up Stereophile website for review). I do not know where it is the Mark 1 or Mark II version.
I am serious, our 20 watt amplifier !

2. We also have another customer using 20 watt "KT88 Triode Connection - Lim Signature" with "High End" Kef 104.2 with the "coupled cavity loading".  I am serious, our 20 watt amplifier !
The joke is this customer kept the more expensive 20 watt "KT88 Triode Connection" valve amplifier
and returned the cheaper 40 watt "Ultra Linear" valve amplifier !

Many loudspeaker manufacturer are lying toads
when they say you need 100 watt amplifier to drive their tiny toy speakers with 5 inch drivers !
These "High End" Kef speakers and our OLD Kef Concerto are the size of fridges,
and cost 10 times more than tiny toy speakers with 5 inch drivers !

Please remember that these 2 customers are SERIOUS enthusiast.  You do not own "High End" Kef 107 or "High End" Kef 104.2 by accident !  They have probably heard a lot of Hi Fi equipment, for MANY years.  If they have not returned our valve amplifier and asked for their money back, that says a lot for our valve amplifier !
 


 
Klipsch Loudspeakers
19 December 2003 Comments : Hello, I bought one of your EL 34 amps when I was the Klipsch UK distributor. It is a good amplifier. it is not tiring to listen to, and it rocks. Like Klipsch - the reviewers don't have any interest in value for money equipment - especially ....
in any items that are more honest. I have tried ebay with some NOS Klipsch. not a bite, I will use small trade ads in Hi-fi World & News, cheers.

This chap is a great guy !  I think he has some New Old Stock of Klipsch left. If you are interested, please ask me for his email address.
P.S. Thank you for your support. Much appreciated. Do you want me to post your details on this web page ?


 
Monitor Audio Studio 20 SE ('2 way' with 6 inch metal cones)
and Monitor Audio RS6 ('2.5 way' with 6 inch metal cones)
Re: Question for item #5827653364 - REVIEWS FAMOUS "KT88 Triode Connection" VALVE amplifierThanks very much for your reply to my question about you KT88s and Monitor Audio 20 SEs.

I asked because I am about to rebuild my system and have been offered the 20 SEs at quite a good price.

In the light of your response though, I have another quick question. I take your point about the size of the drive units, but I cannot afford the top end speakers you are advertising on Ebay - they look wonderful but I just don't have the money. Can you advise though about the £400 pair you are offering. I am wondering if you could comment on how well they perform compared to, say, floorstanding AE speakers (which I understand do sound very good with your amps) or perhaps to Monitor Audio SR6s? Your £400 pair, with massive 10 inch woofers, will sound much better in the bass I feel sure, but would they sound as nice overall? 

Thank you very much for your reply. You'll understand I am sure that buying HiFi without hearing it first feels a bit nerve racking!

Thank you for your e-mail. We should have eBay listing for the £400 'original Chinese version' of the loudspeakers and £800 'modified in England' version of the loudspeakers 

Many British homes are carpeted, and that makes the huge difference to the sound. 

The £400 "original Chinese version" of the loudspeakers should work fine, in a 10 feet by 10 feet room, WITHOUT CARPETS. 

If you put the £400 original Chinese version in a CARPETED ROOM, 
some (but not all) British hi-fi enthusiast (who have different taste to Americans and their loudspeakers, Japanese and their loudspeakers, French and their loudspeakers, Chinese and the loudspeakers, ....) 
might (or might not) complain of too much booming bass. 

We charge £200 to tune the bass of the loudspeakers, 
so you get a little bit less bass, but a deeper bass, that is 100 percent boom free. 
Absolutely no boom in the bass whatsoever. 
You can listen to the VERY DEEP , VERY CLEAN , VERY TIGHT bass for 10 hours, and still want to listen some more. 

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We charge another £200 to put in a 'British notch filter tuned to the resonance frequency of the tweeter' 

This takes a bit more explaining. 

The treble of many MODERN British loudspeakers sounds harsh in large rooms. 

30 years ago, at the height of the British loudspeaker industry (and design), 
most British audio engineers would put in 
complicated sophisticated 18 decibels per octave or even 24 decibels per octave cross over for the tweeter. 

This helps to keep the mid range out of the tweeter, 
so that tweeter is not overloaded by the mid range, 
and the tweeter sounds fine, even when you turn up the volume. 

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What has gone wrong is that the British loudspeaker industry (and design) is a small shadow of its former self, 
and many of the tricks that the British audio engineer learnt 30 years ago, 
seems to be forgotten. This sounds unbelievable until I explain that most of the VERY FAMOUS British brand of loudspeakers are owned by Hong Kong people, and many of these speakers are made in China. 
Just because you are paying British prices, it does not mean that you are supporting British industry. 
Our MODIFIED IN ENGLAND speakers are much more British than those VERY FAMOUS ?British?Branded? speakers 
 
 

Many modern British loudspeakers (from £180 to £13,000) will use a capacitor for a 6 decibels per octave cross over for the tweeter. One famous British brand was boasting that it uses a capacitor for a 6 decibels per octave for the VERY expensive range of speakers ! That just would not have happened, 30 years ago, at the height of the British loudspeaker industry ( and design). 

The graph on page 254 in Mr Martin Colloms excellent book 
'High Performance Loudspeakers' 5th edition explains 
why a simple one capacitor 6 dB per octave crossover can cause problem. 
It also explain how to use notch filter and zobel network to solve the problem. 

One capacitor for a 6 decibels per octave cross over for the tweeter is a terrible idea, 
because it allows too much mid range to get into the tweeter, overloads the tweeter, and the tweeter becomes very harsh. 
The modern-day method of trying to avoid complicated sophisticated cross over, notch filters, etc is to squirt ferro fluid (thick viscous oil + iron filing) into the tweeter. Unfortunately, that does not work because .... (please read the grey box below). 

Limitations of Ferro Fluid 
When you turn up the volume, 
the voice coil and ferro fluid (thick viscous oil + iron filings) 
will get hot, 
the ferro fluid (thick viscous oil + iron filings) will become thin and runny, 
the dampening effect reduces, 
and the impedance peak (might be 20 ohms) at the resonance frequency reappears. 
So, the 8 ohm crossover does not work very well, 
allows the midrange to reach the tweeter, 
and overload the tweeter, 
and the tweeter becomes harsh. 

Essentially, many British loudspeakers (from £200 to £13,000) will overloads its tweeters, and sounds harsh in 20 feet rooms. 

Most of the Chinese loudspeakers that we sell uses 12 decibels per octave cross over for the tweeter, 
which is better then 6 decibels per octave cross over. Fifth for have 
but it is still not enough for 20 feet room 

We add a ' British notch filter tuned into the resonance frequency of the tweeter', 
that prevents more of the mid range from reaching the tweeter and overloading the tweeter, 
so the tweeter can go louder, and is suitable for 20 feet rooms 

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IF YOU HAVE 20 FEET ROOM, WITH CARPETS, 
HE £800 MODIFIED IN ENGLAND VERSION 
SOUNDS TOTALLY DIFFERENT 
TO THE £400 ORIGINAL CHINESE VERSION. 

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40 years ago, at the height of the British hi-fi industry (and British hi-fi magazines) 
British hi-fi magazines had a more enlightened methodology for making recommendations for hi-fi system upgrades. 
It was simply to determine the 'weakest link' of the 'hi-fi chain'. 
Which is usually the loudspeakers. Just look at the lousy frequency response of loudspeakers at 20 watts (not the typical 1 watt measurement), lousy distortion at bass frequency at 20 watts, lousy waterfall curves (cumulative spectral decay). 
Then we had 'media hysteria' recommending that you spend almost all the hi-fi budget on the turntable (nowadays CD players), and make do with cheap speakers. 

Please concentrate more on the speakers, and less on the CD player or turntable and amplifiers. And do not even waste your time pondering about cables, equipment stands and snake oil. 
 

If your e-mail is about the £400 version, you probably do not want to pay £800 for the speakers. 

Maybe, we can come to a compromise, please look at our eBay listing for a £900 bundle of £650 speakers + £250 valve amplifier, 
for the section that says that REALISTIC human voices will EASILY beat our best electrostatic speakers. 
Treble that will easily beat our best electrostatic speakers. Of course, the 10 inch woofer will EASILY beat all popular British speakers below £2000. 

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QUESTION = how well they perform compared to, say, floorstanding AE speakers (which I understand do sound very good with your amps) or perhaps to Monitor Audio SR6s? Your £400 pair, with massive 10 inch woofers, will sound much better in the bass I feel sure, but would they sound as nice overall? 

MONEY BACK GUARANTEE (less £60 or £30 or overseas shipping charges, within 30 days) 
if you disagree with any of the following claims. 

£180 Sony CD player (with a carousel for 300 CDs) 
+ our eBay listing for a £900 bundle of £650 speakers + £250 valve amplifier 
+ the FREE interconnects and FREE loudspeaker cables 

when compared with 

floorstanding AE EVO 3 or Monitor Audio RS6 or any price, any hype speakers with one or two pieces of six inch woofers 
+ any price, any hype, any valve amplifier or any transistor amplifier or any valve/transistor hybrid amplifier or any digital amplifier 
+ any price, any hype, any CD player or any turntable and cartridge 
+ any price, any hype, any interconnects , any loud speaker cables 

The result will be 

The bass of our £650 speakers will be 10 to 100 times better (depending on how fussy you are) 
( Much much deeper. Much less boom free. Attack and decay of bass note is as perfect as it and can be.) 
( You can hear the bass tune played by the bass guitarist or acoustic bass, 
and not a one note boom (that could be anything) from 6 inch speakers (regardless of the fancy prose in hi-fi magazines) 

The most important sound on the CD of your favourite singer, is the voice of favourite singer. 
Our eBay £900 bundle of £650 speakers + £250 valve amplifiers 
will trick you into believing that your favourite singer is in your living room 
10 times to 100 times better (depending on how fussy you are) 
(Please read the part of our eBay listing that describes how EASILY AND CONCLUSIVELY human voices 'out classes' our best electrostatic speakers, which is 50-year-old technology) 

( The design of the cone is all about reducing resonance / cone breakup, and trying to dampen any resonance/ cone breakup) 

( For the SAME WEIGHT, paper is much more rigid than aluminium ) 
( When it comes to 'mechanical loss' and how fast unwanted resonance / cone breakup is dampen,) 
( paper is much superior to aluminium. Tap a piece of aluminium and it rings for long time. ) 

( I agree that if you could coat an aluminium cone with one millimetre of LARGE CERAMIC CRYSTALS,) 
( then that cone might produce some interesting results. 
( If you anodise a piece of aluminium, and you get a microscopic layer of aluminium oxide, ) 
( it would be absurd to claim that a MICROSCOPIC layer of aluminium oxide has MATERIALLY strengthened the aluminium.) 

In a nutshell, 
our coated paper cones are stronger and better dampened than aluminium cones. 
So, our coated paper cones is is reproduces and voices 10 times to 100 times better. 
 

Most of our competitors do not give any solid technical reasons on how they have solved the problem of keeping mid range out of the TINY 1 inch tweeter, so that the 1 inch tweeter can go loud enough for 20 feet room. 

I expect that our tweeter + our MODIFIED IN ENGLAND 'British notch filter tune to the resonance frequency of the tweeter" 
to produce sweet treble, without overloading, without harshness in 20 feet rooms, 
about 100 times better than most of our competitors (especially competitors who boasts about using one capacitor for six decibels per octave cross over for the tweeter selling speakers for £200 to £13,000) 

 


 
Question on April 2006 = Customer cannot find specification of our speaker on our website
Comments : Please can you send me some specifications for the high end speakers you offer. 
I have spent quite a while trying to find the informationon your website and have given up. 
All I can find is a very long disussion on different aspects of HiFI and very little on your actual products??? 
Answer = NEVER buy a speaker based on specification.
The Hi Fi industry and some ?audio?engineers? have made a mockery of any meaningful measurement,
and had brought the SERIOUS Audio Engineering, with MEANING MEASUREMENTS into disrepute.
Try this simple quiz.
Which is better ?
Speaker with a frequency response of 30 hertz to 22000 Hertz
or 
Speaker with a frequency response of 40 Hertz to 20000 Hertz.
If you gave the answer of the speaker with a frequency response of 30 Hertz to 22000 Hertz,
you will be wrong !
The correct answer is 'YOU CANNOT TELL !'
because the speaker with the frequency response of 30 Hertz to 22000 Hertz
might be within +- 10 decibels (music centre quality)
whereas the speaker with the frequency response of 40 Hertz to 20000 Hertz 
might be within +- 3 decibels. (a good quality speaker, with reasonable bass)
The correct answer is 'YOU CANNOT TELL !'
because the speaker with the frequency response of 30 Hertz to 22000 Hertz
was measured at the 'typical' 1 watt,
and the bass will disappear, if it is a SMALL speakers
if you tried to measure it at a 'tougher' 10 watt.
Whereas the speaker with the frequency response of 40 Hertz to 20000 Hertz 
might be measures at a 'tougher' 10 watt.
Which is more powerful ?
          100 watt British 6 inch speaker, measured with ?British?standard or ?European?standard?
          100 watt American 6 inch speaker, measured with ?American?standard?
          100 watt Japanese 6 inch speaker, measured with ?Japanese?standard?
          100 watt Chinese 6 inch speaker, measured with ?Chinese?standard?
Regardless of what answer you give, you will be wrong !
because
6 INCH SPEAKERS CANNOT COPE WITH 100 WATTS OF DEEP BASS (40 Hertz to 80 Hertz)
Take at look at the specification of the GBP £1600 B&W Nautilus 805S with 6 inch speaker and tweeter.
Sensitivity 88 dB spl (2.83V, 1m)
So you get about 88 decibel, at 1 meter for about 1 watt into 8 ohm load.
So you get about 88 + 3 = 91 decibels, at 1 meter for about 2 watt into 8 ohm load.
                          (Add 3 decibels, when you double the power)
Harmonic Distortion 2nd and 3rd harmonics (90 dB, 1m)
         <1% 100 Hz - 22 kHz
         <0.5% 150 Hz - 20 kHz
'Add' the two specifications together and you get 
FOR 2 WATTS, you get about about <1% distortion for 100 Hz - 22 kHz
If you get about 1% distortion for 2 watts,
HOW MUCH DISTORTION WILL YOU GET FOR 100 WATTS OF BASS ?
(the loudest sound on your recording is usually the bass instruments)
HOW MUCH DISTORTION WILL YOU GET FOR 20 WATTS OF BASS ?
(the loudest sound on your recording is usually the bass instruments)
OTHER MANUFACTURER DARE NOT EVEN GIVE YOU THE DISTORTION FIGURES.
Could it be possible that B&W specification are better than their competitors ?
Unless, you have the correct answer to both questions,
you can see why
LOUDSPEAKER SPECIFICATION ARE MISLEADING,
and we do NOT want to put MISLEADING INFORMATION on our website !

 

  Thank you for your interest in our product.
eBay's computer tend to chop off the bottom of long emails.  If the bottom of my long reply is missing, please look at the bottom of the REVISED listing.  Thank you. --------
 

Question from eBay member in May 2006 = A. Why are you charging £900 too modify this sound system? B. Why are you charging £4000 for audio equipment worth about £400? C. Why do you talk so much s**t? Sorry to be rude but after reading your listing i was insulted that you think anyone would honestly be foolish enough to beleive any of your mish mashed jargon and pseudo technical knowledge, basicly 99% of what you said was utter bs. And how exactly have you modified it? far as i can see its just a bog standard cheap hifi system, certianly not a pro audio system like you'd expect for £4000 !! Hope this helps, have a nice day! 
Answer =
First of all,
we do NOT do the modification of the typical ?expert?
who change one plastic film capacitor IN GOOD WORKING ORDER
for another plastic film capacitor OF THE SAME VALUE.
THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME (AND YOUR MONEY) !
I CHALLENGE THESE EXPERTS AND HI FI REVIEWER
TO PROVE THAT THEY CAN HEAR THE DIFFERENCE
IN A 'BLIND' TEST.
Our GBP £900 Modifications are .....
1. EXOTIC Ribbon super tweeter is about 5 decibel louder than the other drive units.
  Our SMALL EXOTIC ribbon tweeter is supposed to be able to produce frequency above 20000 Hertz.
   My measuring equipment only goes up to 20000 Hertz
   (which is the limit of hearing of a young woman with good hearing)
   so I cannot tell you how high it goes !
    Some DVD Audio claims that you need speakers to go up to 40000 hertz,
    which is twice the limit of hearing, which is only 20000 Hertz for a young woman with good hearing.
    Part of the GBP £900 modification is to reduce the output of the ribbon tweeter to the correct level.
 
 
This is coming from a guy who says "stop going on and on about cables"
because the difference between cables is so small,
that I am not sure if there really is a difference or it is my imagination !
So, if I say there is a HUGE difference,
you will hear the difference !

 

2. The 12 decibel per octave crossover (1 capacitor + 1 inductor)
   (far superior to the 6 decibel per octave crossover (1 capacitor) of GBP 13000 speakers with synthetic diamond   tweeter)
     tries it best to keep midrange out of the 1 and half inch dome tweeter (bigger than the typical 1 inch .
      However, at the 750 hertz resonance frequency of the tweeter,
      the superior 12 decibel per octave cross over still allow 750 Hertz to reach to 1 and half inch tweeter
      and overload it.
     WHEN LISTENING LOUD IN 20 FEET ROOMS,
      THIS OVERLOAD IS VERY AUDIBLE (even with a 20 watt valve / tube amplifier)
      We have added a BRITISH NOTCH FILTER (1 big capacitor + 1 big inductor + 1 big resistor)
      tuned to 750 Hertz resonance frequency, to stop this problem.
      THE SPEAKER CAN GO MUCH MUCH MUCH TIMES LOUDER,
      WITH THE TWEETER OVERLOAD, WITHOUT HARSHNESS.
THIS IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE, WHEN LISTENING LOUDLY IN 20 FEET ROOMS.
This is coming from a guy who says "stop going on and on about cables"
because the difference between cables is so small,
that I am not sure if there really is a difference or it is my imagination !
So, if I say there is a HUGE difference,
you will hear the difference !

 

       USE ONE OF OUR TRIODE CONNECTION VALVE / TUBE AMPLIFIER,
       TURN UP THE VOLUME AND OUR TWEETER IS 100 PERCENT SWEET,
       AND CYMBAL BECOME NICE SOUNDING MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS,
       and not something invented to torment Hi Fi enthusiast with  transistor amplifiers !
       The crossover for the 'spiced up' reviews of GBP 13000 speakers with synthetic diamond dome
      only has 1 capacitor.
       I really do not believe their claims that the drive units are so perfect
       that it can make do with 1 capacitor in a simple 6 decibel per octave crossover.
       Our modified crossover for the tweeter consist of 
       2 polypropylene capacitor + 2 'air core' inductor + 1 resistor.
       WHICH CROSSOVER IS MORE SOPHISTICATED ?
        PLEASE USE A SWEET SOUND TRIODE CONNECTION VALVE / TUBE AMPLIFIER
       AND TURN UP THE VOLUME + SEE IF OUR GBP £2900 MODIFIED SPEAKER
       OR THE GBP £13000 SPEAKER (TWEETER) OVERLOAD FIRST      .
3. Likewise, 50 Hertz gets into the midrange, and overload it WHEN LISTENING LOUD IN 20 FEET ROOM.
    So, we also have a BRITISH NOTCH FILTER at 50 Hertz.
    This makes a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference to how loud the speaker can go (even with our 20 watt + 20 watt valve / tube amplifiers)
This is coming from a guy who says "stop going on and on about cables"
because the difference between cables is so small,
that I am not sure if there really is a difference or it is my imagination !
So, if I say there is a HUGE difference,
you will hear the difference !
    Making a British notch filter for the tweeter 750 Hertz is not a problem.
    Making a British notch filter for the midrange 50 Hertz is a problem,
    because we need VERY LARGE values of inductors and polypropylene capacitors (speciality made for us)
    You try to buy the VERY LARGE value of polypropylene capacitor in shops, and you will be shocked at the price.
   Our midrange has a 'lossy' rubbery cone surround, which allows the cone to move without bending too much,
    and the 'lossy' rubbery material helps to absorb / dampen and unwanted cone break up.
    When compared to the GBP £13000 speaker with synthetic diamond dome tweeter,
    that does NOT have a cone surround,
    their midrange cone have to bend out of shape to produce any sound.
    Hi Fi reviewers with poor technical knowledge are impressed with this new 'innovation' 
   Audio Engineer, who know a bit more about speakers, call this 'cone break up'
4. Frequency response measured for EACH INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS,
    to make sure we have done the modifications correctly,
    and all of the 4 drive units are connected in the correct phase
    (so that there are no HUGE dip in the frequency response)
    (When using 12 decibel per octave crossover, which changes the phase by 180 degrees)
    (you have to connect some of the drive units the 'wrong way'
       or you will get a HUGE dip in the frequency response, due  to 'destructive interference' )
5. Although the HUGE HUGE inductors and the HUGE HUGE polypropylene capacitors
     for the 50 Hertz BRITISH NOTCH FILETS are EXPENSIVE,
     I agree that the components do not cost GBP £900, 
    but you also need EXPENSIVE BRITISH LABOUR
                                + measuring equipment
            + HUGE AMOUNT OF  TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE.
    99 percent of the ?experts? in internet forums do NOT have the measuring instrument,
    and their technical knowledge is limited to
    change the capacitor to 'conbig' capacitor that cost GBP £20 each.
    change the tweeter to 'conbigger' tweeter' that cost GBP £200 each.
    Anybody, even an 18 year old beginner, can say that ! 

 


 
 
 
 
 
Question from eBay member in May 2006 = Heres one for you, I am considering this amp for use with Lowther PM6 speakers. As im sure you are aware, these are sensitive. I run separate amps powering fostex bass speakers in home made enclosures, so your amp would only have the task of delivering mid range/treble to the Lowthers. Your no nonsense style advise would be much appreciated. Justin 
Answer = Thank you for your interest in our products. 
I apologize for being blunt, and my no nonsense advice is to
buy our eBay listing of our GBP £250 valve / tube amplifier
+ save up for our ebay listing for our GBP £650 speakers with 
10 inch woofer in MODIFIED cabinet for 100 percent boom free DEEP bass
+ 100 times more realistic human voices because of
DEDICATED EXCELLENT QUALITY, HIGH END 5 inch or 6 inch midrange
(with coated paper cones + 'lossy rubbery roll surround' helps absorbs  any cone break up
+ 'lossy' dust cap helps absorb any cone break up)
This is coming from a guy who says "stop going on and on about cables"
because the difference between cables is so small,
that I am not sure if there really is a difference or it is my imagination !
So, if I say there is a HUGE difference,
you will hear the difference !
+ 100 times more realistic cymbals because of
DEDICATED EXCELLENT QUALITY, HIGH END 1 inch dome tweeter,
compared to the HUGE (which is bad for 20000 hertz) 'whizzer cones'
Please can I point out that there is a difference between
Treble is not irritating because it does not have any huge peaks in the frequency response,
decays quickly with a good water curve (cumulative spectral decay), etc
-- versus --
Treble is not irritating because there is NO treble. 
Please buy our eBay listing for our Test CD Sound Check 2,
and you will find that your Lowther does NOT go up to anywhere near 20000 Hertz !
You can barely hear the cymbal from the 'whizzer cones', so cymbals are not irritating.
That is NOT HIgh FIdelity, which is the ACCURATE REPRODUCTION of music.
SERIOUS HIgh FIdelity MUST have the
CORRECT amount of bass,
CORRECT amount of midrange
and CORRECT amount of treble.
In order to get good LOUD DEEP bass to 20 Hertz,
with LOW colouration and SMALLISH amount of unwanted resonance,
the mouth of the horn need to be 37 feet in diameter.
37 feet is two third of the 56 feet wavelength of a 20 Hertz sound wave.
The 'typical' 1 feet month of horn speaker is much too small !
The horn also need to be VERY VERY LONG. 
2 feet long horn with a 3 feet diameter mouth does NOT work particularly well !
SERIOUS HIgh FIdelity MUST have the
CORRECT amount of bass,
CORRECT amount of midrange
and CORRECT amount of treble.
It is a 'Law of Physic' for you need a SMALL LIGHT WEIGHT tweeter for 
good dispersion (so that you can still hear the treble,
even if you move your head 5 feet to the left or right or up or down), 
better transient response (so the tweeter can move very fast to reproduce 20000 Hertz), etc .....
Please look at the HUGE 'whizzer cone' on your speaker.
HUGE 'whizzer cone' are useless for HIGH TREBLE to 20000 Hertz.
Please ignore the CLAIMED specification that
'full range' speakers with 'whizzer cones' can go up to 22000 Hertz.
Does it go up to 22000 Hertz + - 3 decibel, which is good quality.
Does it go up to 22000 Hertz + - 10 Hertz, which is music centre quality.
ASK THE MANUFACTURER FOR A GRAPH OF THE FREQUENCY RESPONSE CURVE !
THE FREQUENCY RESPONSE OF MOST SPEAKERS WITH 'WHIZZER CONES
ARE SO BAD THAT YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT GET A REPLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER !
Hi Fi News review shows a measurement of one of the newer drive units with 'whizzer cone',
and the frequency response was lousy, and totally unacceptable for HIgh FIdelity. 
Even our cheapest loudspeaker listed on eBay will have
much much much much much better frequency response for the treble. 
The 'whizzer cone' creates another huge problem.
In order for the 'whizzer cone' to work,
the 'whizzer cone' and the voice coil has to move AT HIGH FREQUENCIES,
but the MAIN cone should NOT move AT HIGH FREQUENCIES.
Forget about the fancy explanation that
the MAIN cone is de-coupled from the voice coil.
In reality, the MAIN cone has BEND OUT OF SHAPE at high frequency.
Audio Engineers call this the dreaded 'cone break up'.
This creates all sort of weird and wonderful resonance, coloration, etc,
so human voices do NOT sound human !
Human voices sound blur and congested , like the singer has a blocked up nose. 
It is NOT crystal clear WITHOUT HARSHNESS.
THE MOST IMPORTANT SOUND ON THE CD OF YOUR FAVORITE SINGER
IS THE VOICE OF YOUR FAVOURITE SINGER.
MONEY BACK GUARANTEE (less shipping charges, within 30 days) that
our eBay listing of our most expensive GBP £2900 speakers
or our cheapest GBP £650 speakers, driven by our cheapest eBay GBP £250 valve amplifier
produces 100 times more realistic human voices than
ANY speakers (regardless of price, hype, 'spiced up' reviews in Hi Fi magazines)
with an 'whizzer cone',
driven by the most expensive, most hype up, most 'spice up' transistor , valve , digital , etc amplifier.
SPEAKERS MAKES THE LARGEST DIFFERENCE TO THE SOUND.
and NOT the turntable, and NOT the CD player, and certainly NOT overpriced cables (regardless of the price or hype or 'spiced up ' reviews in Hi Fi magazines.
And 22 inch Kick bass drums sound 10 time more realistic
with our eBay listing of our GBP £650 speakers
with 10 inch woofer in a WELL DESIGNED boom free HUGE cabinet
compared with your your horn speakers
OR MONEY REFUNDED (less shipping charges, within 30 days).
MONEY BACK GUARANTEE (less shipping charges, within 30 days) that
our eBay listing of our most expensive GBP £2900 speakers with SMALL RIBBON SUPER TWEETER
or  our GBP £650 speaker with 1 inch dome tweeter,
driven by our cheapest eBay GBP £250 valve amplifier
produces 100 times better cymbals, HIGH treble
than any speakers (regardless of price, hype, 'spiced up' reviewed in Hi Fi magazines)
with an 'whizzer cone',
driven by the most expensive, most hype up, most 'spice up' valve / tube , transistor , hybrid , digital , etc amplifier. 

SPEAKERS MAKES THE LARGEST DIFFERENCE TO THE SOUND. 

Please can I point out that there is a difference between --- 
treble is not irritating because it does not have any huge peaks in the frequency response,
decays quickly with a good water curve (cumulative spectral decay), etc
-- versus -- 
treble is not irritating because there is NO treble.

Please buy our eBay listing for our Test CD Sound Check 2,
and you will find that your Lowther does NOT go up to anywhere near 20000 Hertz !

Please forget the nonsensical hype that 'full range' singe drive unit do not have any crossover.
Most 'full range' single drive unit has a 'whizzer cone' to try (but fail) and get high frequency to 20000 Hertz.
These speakers with a 'whizzer cones' do not have an ELECTRICAL crossover,
but they has a MECHANICAL crossover,
which is the MAIN cone BENDING OUT OF SHAPE at high frequencies
(audio engineers call this the dreaded 'cone break up' !) ,
to de couple itself from the 'whizzer cone' at high frequency.
This 'bending our of shape' (cone break up) causes
HUGE amounts of resonance, coloration to the midrange, 
and human voices do NOT sound human,
when compared to the
DEDICATED EXCELLENT QUALITY, HIGH END 5 inch or 6 inch midrange
(with coated paper cones + 'lossy rubbery roll surround' helps absorbs  any cone break up
+ 'lossy' dust cap helps absorb any cone break up) in our GBP £650 speakers,
driven by our GBP £250 valve / tube amplifier.
Dealer in internet forum, pretending to be innocent member of the public,
refuses to admit that 'full range' single driver speaker MUST have a horrible MECHANICAL crossover. 
Yes, I agree that the conventional active or passive ELECTRICAL / ELECTRONIC crossover
does have some problems (that can be largely overcomed).
But MECHANIC crossover for 'whizzer cones'
have HUGE HUGE HUGE problems than CANNOT BE OVERCOMED.
'Whizzer cones' can only work with HUGE amount of 'cone break up',
where the  MAIN cone has to bend out of shape.
If you stop the MAIN cone from bending out of shape,
the 'whizzer cone' does not work properly !

 
 
 
 
 
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